Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said in a CNN interview Sunday he doesn’t know if Ohio would be able to come up with the $100 state match needed to extend $400 in extra weekly unemployment benefits included in an executive order announced Saturday by President Donald Trump.
“We’re reviewing this now,” DeWine told CNN's Dana Bash when asked if Ohio had the money to set up the program. DeWine noted that Ohio has federal money set aside for testing, but testing is “very, very important.”
“The answer is I don’t know yet,” said DeWine, a Republican. “The president has a difficult situation. He’s got a blunt instrument, that’s an executive order. He’s trying to do something. He’s trying to move the ball forward but I think what really needs to happen is Congress needs to get back and negotiate.”
Trump announced an executive order Saturday that extends additional unemployment payments of $400 a week to help cushion the economic fallout of the pandemic. Congress had approved payments of $600 a week at the outset of the coronavirus outbreak, but those benefits expired Aug. 1 and Congress has been unable to agree on an extension. Many Republicans have expressed concern that a $600 weekly benefit, on top of existing state benefits, gives people an incentive to stay unemployed.
But under Trump's plan, the $400 a week requires a state to commit to providing $100.
Ohio, like many states, is already facing budget crunches caused by the pandemic.
DeWine noted in the CNN interview that the extra $600 not only helped unemployed Ohioans make ends meet, it also buoyed the economy.
“It mattered a lot, so whether or not it’s $600 or $400, or where that figure should be, I think Congress needs to get back at it,” DeWine said.
Asked at a news conference how many governors had signed on to participate, Trump answered: “If they don’t, they don’t. That’s up to them.”
Aubrey Layne, secretary of finance for Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, said in a phone interview Sunday he believes it would be feasible for Virginia to participate in such a program if states are allowed to use money that's been allocated to them under the already passed CARES Act. He said his preliminary understanding is that states can do so, but he and others are waiting to see the rules published.
The better solution, Layne said, would be for Congress to pass legislation.
"It's ludicrous to me that Congress can't get together on this," he said. "I think it would have been better for the president to use his influence in those negotiations, rather than standing on the sideline and then riding in like a shining knight."
Indeed, details about the program became confused on Sunday. On CNN's "State of the Nation" White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said conflicting things about whether the federal money was contingent on an additional contribution from the states. Initially Kudlow said that "for an extra $100, we will lever it up. We will pay three-quarters, and the states will pay 25 percent." In the same interview, though, he later said that "at a minimum, we will put in 300 bucks ... but I think all they (the states) have to do is put up an extra dollar, and we will be able to throw in the extra $100."
A clarifying statement from the White House said the "funds will be available for those who qualify by, among other things, receiving $100/week of existing assistance and certify that they have lost their jobs due to COVID-19."
Several advocacy groups that follow the issue, though, said it's clear the way the executive order is structured that the federal money will be contingent on states making a 25 percent contribution.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, called the plan "an impossibility."
"I don't know if the president is genuine in thinking the executive order is a resolution or if this is just a tactic in the negotiation," Cuomo said. "But this is irreconcilable for the state. And I expect this is just a chapter in the book of Washington COVID mismanagement."
In Connecticut, Democratic Gov. Ned Lamont said on CBS' "Face the Nation" that the plan would cost his state $500 million to provide that benefit for the rest of the year, and called Trump's plan "not a good idea."
"I could take that money from testing — I don't think that's a good idea," Lamont said.
In Maryland, Michael Ricci, spokesman for Republican Gov. Larry Hogan, said in an email that "we will wait on new guidance from US Department of Labor before looking at any (unemployment insurance) changes."
In Minnesota, Department of Employment and Economic Development Commissioner Steve Grove said his agency is "awaiting further guidance from the U.S. Department of Labor."
On ABC"s "This Week," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called it "an unworkable plan.
"Most states will take months to implement it, because it's brand new. It's sort of put together with spit and paste. And many states, because they have to chip in $100, and they don't have money, won't do it," Schumer said.
Many states struggled to adjust outdated computer systems to accommodate the $600 payment, which along with the massive influx of new claims resulted in long delays in providing benefits. Reprogramming the computers again to accommodate the new amount could result in similar glitches.
On ABC, Kudlow said that many of those outdated systems have since been upgraded.
“I don’t think there will be a huge delay. Labor Department has been working with the states. The states are the ones that process the federal benefits before. So, I don’t see any reason why it would be all that difficult,” he said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. The Journal-News is a media partner of WCPO.com